« Jimmy, forget about being the next Woodward or Bernstein. Mommy and daddy are buying you a slide rule for the holidays | Main | What has become clear to you since we last met? »

November 11, 2009

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d8341c39e853ef0120a67956ef970b

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference The new girl network:

Comments

Steve, I agree that all industries should have a balanced workforce. However, I'd like you to expand on what exactly women are doing to scare men away. Who isn't to say that men's abandonment of PR has something to do with the old boy network of yesteryear?

Great question, McKenna. I think there are many reasons why young men are staying away from PR. It's a combination of Hollywood's portrayal of the profession (think "Sex in the city," "Hills," etc.) and the fact that women have done incredibly well in our industry. I believe there's an unstated, unspoken perception among young men that PR is for young women who plan parties. That's a gross inaccuracy and speaks poorly of what we actually do do. But, that's what I'm seeing and that's why I believe our industry needs to step up to the plate, admit the problem and take steps to address it.

Women’s success is intimidating men and scaring them away from the industry? I just don’t buy it. And if there is truth behind it, then our industry is all the stronger for it – weeding out weak employees, regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation, etc., is always in the company’s and industry’s best interest.

I do agree that there is an inaccurate perception of what PR really is (that it’s all young women planning parties, etc.) and that this is probably one of the main reasons that men choose to stay away from it. But what is the solution to this? Is the onus on academic institutions to do a better job of teaching it and counseling their communications students on what it really is? Is it the “industry’s” responsibility to make a better name for itself? Probably both. I wish you had explored this in your post instead of saying that women are “sure as heck scaring [men] away from our profession” because to Caryn’s point, I really don’t think this is the case.

if men (well, young men) decide to pursue a different career path based on the perception that "SITC" and the "Hills," could offer well, they are just as dumb as the women (young gals) that think it's all about party planning. simply put, the industry needs neither. lists that rank women, men, people under 40 and agencies in terms of $ucce$$ are bullshit. we all know this, but still care. that is something i would like to debate.

I'm not sure I completely understand the point you'd like to debate, Lunch. But, PR (and PR agencies in particular) needs to be as diverse as the markets we hope to reach. If we aren't, another, more diverse service sector will fill the void.

You're lucky I like you, Alicia. I did point to a solution. I think the three 'pillars' of PR (academic, corporate and agency) need to first, admit there's a gender gap problem and second, agree on strategies to reach out to young men. When I said young women are scaring young men away from PR, I meant only in the sense that lots of young men with whom I've spoken purposely avoid PR because they see it as a 'women's-only' profession.

Good for you, Caryn. I agree that a meritocracy works best. But, the old boy network failed because it was one dimensional and no longer reflected an increasingly diverse society. A new-girl network will fail for the very same reason. We need gender diversity in PR.

Agreed. And diversity on other fronts as well.

OK, point taken, I guess I just wished that you had delved more into those strategies rather than positioning this as a problem that women are fostering (at least that's how I and others took it). Maybe we're looking at a chicken and egg situation, men don't enter PR because they see it as women only, but if there were more men in PR it wouldn't be women only, eh?

Point taken, Alicia. I try to make the blogs brief and should have elaborated further. But, I'm also viewing the gender gap from the perspective when PR was predominately male, became balanced and then morphed into what it is today. Obviously, women aren't purposely scaring away men from PR. Their sheer numbers do the scaring for them.

Do you think this is happening in advertising, too?
I do think there are some innate qualities that women possess that make them successful in PR. I am incredibly proud to work with the women I do. But therein also lies danger.
First, a balanced workforce benefits everyone -- different perspectives and orientations usually lead to a better outcome. I'd hate to lose out on that. But what I'm more worried about -- and RepMan will say this is the feminist in me coming out -- is that as you we make a workforce that is too skewed toward women, you actually run the risk of reducing incomes and power in the corporate mix. I'm not happy about that; no woman is. But it's the way of the world today.

So, Ann, you're saying you only want us men around so you can make more money?

Turns out we're not the only ones discussing the topic this week-

http://prbreakfastclub.com/2009/11/11/guys-scarcity/

http://prbreakfastclub.com/2009/11/09/guys-meet-a-girl-in-pr/

Great find, Alicia. And, I totally concur about the 'opportunities' inherent in the female-to-male ratio in PR. Oh, to be young, single and male in a PR firm.

Caryn, I agree with you about having diversity on all fronts. Unfortunately, equal amounts of diversity in the workforce will only happen in a perfect world. It's something I deal with and work through every day.

Steve, why can't women dominate the PR industry and still have "balance"? The "old boys" have been dominating most of the workforce's (especially white collar) industries for centuries. Prior to coming into the PR industry, I knew that I would be the minority. You don't hear me saying this is an epidemic and has to change. The industry will continue to evolve with time. For all we know, 15 years from now gay men might be running the PR industry. Embrace change.

Carolyn, change is my middle name. I'm all for it and think it's incredibly healthy. But, the industry in which we work is morphing in the wrong way With our population becoming amazingly diverse, a PR workforce that's all women and predominatly white is, unbalanced and unhealthy. We should mirror the population we seek to engage in conversation.

Don't blame it on gender. Older females are not finding work. Blame it on employers who prefer to hire only young females and Richard Nixon for signing an executive order in 1969 amending the civil rights act to include white women - now the majority in the work force and still designated a minority.

In 1976, women comprised 26% of workforce - today, 54%. Blacks comprised roughly 12% of workforce in 1976; today, 13-15%. So much easier having a white woman's face rather than a person of color in the office. Arizona's state government is roughly 80% female. Few men are in personnel, public relations, advertising and now news media.

In the early '90s I was looking for a job. I sat for two years without an interview using Richard. I changed my resume, using a middle name that is either male or female, and I got 8 calls in one month. No interviews once they found I was male. I even had one go, We were just calling to verify information - your phone number is - after they had called the phone number. Yet on my voice mail, they said they wanted to set up an interview.

No wonder men don't enter the field. They've heard this story. Also, a friend who taught at ASU said he would take the lone male who entered his class aside and told him he'd never get a job in PR.

Check EEOCagenda.blogspot.com

Fascinating insight, Richard. Thanks for sharing.

I think companies like hiring women because the "gals" earn less and work hard. Men generally dominate the industries with the highest salaries - investment banking, consulting firms, etc. I think there should be diversity in all industries - including PR. I agree that PR women get a bad rap as "party planners." And I am weary of people (men and women) referring to me as a "PR gal."

You are 100 percent correct Julie. The old boy network is still thriving in banking, finance and other industries. But, since I don't 'live' in those worlds, I don't know what the latest hiring trends are. I'm hopeful these industries are waking up to the changing demographics and will construct a workforce that reflects it.

It is an interesting debate or non-debate. To me it’s similar to the discussion Engineering schools/companies have in recruiting women. Or, high tech companies that skew towards Asians and Europeans because there is a lack of talent in the U.S. Nurses also have a similar situation. Each field is challenged with an imbalanced work force - which we all agree is not ideal. However, I have noticed that majority of the men who get into PR that I've worked with have started with the idea of getting into politics or sports PR (which usually are more male dominated segments of the industry - think Jerry McGuire or Spin City). It would be interesting to do a poll to see if that is sort of a common factor that makes it feel "safe" for men to enter our field from a social standpoint.

Outstanding observation, Sahana. It would be a natural (and fascinating) subject for the Council of PR Firms to explore.

Steve,

While I agree with you that a gender balanced industry is ideal, I don’t necessarily think we should take measures to force or coax it in that direction. If the industry has shifted to become an environment where women can feel empowered, how can that possibly be negative at all? An empowered woman is a woman who will speak up for what she believes in, who will thrive, who won’t be afraid to succeed.

And frankly, I don’t care if boys are scared to go into PR because it’s dominated by women. If they want to be in an industry that is currently dominated by women, then they need to get over being afraid of entering it. After all, isn’t that what women have had to do in industries such as engineering, investment banking and the restaurant industry? Look at any one of the major engineering firms in this city – you’ll find mostly males, and a few brave women who jumped right in.

I'm all for empowering women, Erin. It's clearly long overdue. The fact is, though that we live in an increasingly diverse country. Marketers hire public relations firms to help them connect with those diverse audiences. Tell me how an increasingly female-dominated industry will convince marketers who want to reach young men that they 'get' it. That they 'get' what it's like to be a young man. You can't possibly. Just like the old boy network didn't 'get' the changing demographic of the 1980s and '90s, I'm concerned the predominantly white, new girl network won't 'get' the changing landscape of 2010 and beyond.

Verify your Comment

Previewing your Comment

This is only a preview. Your comment has not yet been posted.

Working...
Your comment could not be posted. Error type:
Your comment has been posted. Post another comment

The letters and numbers you entered did not match the image. Please try again.

As a final step before posting your comment, enter the letters and numbers you see in the image below. This prevents automated programs from posting comments.

Having trouble reading this image? View an alternate.

Working...

Post a comment

RepChatter Podcast


  • Click to read PepperDigital's series on the pitfalls and promises of global social media.

Subscribe to RepManblog

Conflicts Policy

  • Everything on this blog is my personal opinion and does not necessarily represent the views of Peppercom or its clients. Some posts may contain references to businesses or people that Peppercom or its clients work with or have worked with, and in such cases I make an effort to point out such connections in the posts. I also may choose not to write about subjects or events that may relate to or affect Peppercom clients.